(warning: be careful with the links below if you haven't read the book yet. not so much "spoilers"; i just feel strongly that you'll enjoy the book so much more knowing less about the story...)
well i took my break from the USA Trilogy, and picked up Cormac McCarthy's The Road. no idea what i was in for.
i'd heard good things about the book, but i wasn't crazy about All the Pretty Horses -- the only other book i'd read of his, nor the movie of No Country for Old Men, which i'd seen recently. well, this one got me. just absolutely killed me. i've been twisted up and moved, but i don't think i've ever wept while reading a book before.
it reads that way, but i sat down with it for the first time and looked up 100 pages later. couldn't stop reading it, and i read the last few pages over and over. the book dominated my thoughts for a few days afterwards -- made me pause in the middle of work.
i'll say that being a father with my own personal circumstances, and my boy across the country from me for the days while i read it, made me especially susceptible and raw. but i believe the book would move anyone just as well.
i was also curious to note, just fliipping through the wikipedia article, George Monbiot heaping such praise on it from an environmental perspective. the "environmental" angle of the book, the interrelatedness of all life on the planet, was striking, though i wouldn't have guessed that activists would raise it up as a thing that "could save the planet".
do read this before it's made into a movie.
Conclusion
A week or so ago, I mentioned our "Norse pagan ancestry" in relation to this story. What was I getting at? Recently, and on a whim, I explored Norse mythology, and was amazed by what I found. Not only did I discover how influential it is in Western thought, but I also found the very root of my own sensibilities--those same sensibilities allowing me to appreciate The Road as I do. We all know our debt to the Greeks and Romans, and to the Jews and Christians--an invaluable debt, no question, but, much to my own astonishment, my own thought feels more at home with what the Romans and Christians failed to destroy up North--our German-English pagan basis. So much of it is still with us, the days of the week for one small example; but rather than explaining my excitement, let me share with you what I read. It's from Edith Hamilton's Mythology. Here, she describes the "Norseman's scheme of existence," which with its "decrees of an inexorable fate," might seem "at first sight fatalistic, but actually" is something much greater. She writes:
Without the hope for "eternal joy," Hamilton points out, "it would appear that for unknown centuries, until the Christian missionaries came, heroism was enough."
And so, in my view, The Road is both the last book and the first thought--bookends to an incredibly long and deep tradition. Or to use McCarthy's own ending:
Okay, for the time being, I'm done. Who's next?
More on the Movie and Book
Hieb, thanks for the article from "Reverse Shot." It's interesting to see and hear what people focus on. I never questioned, for instance, whether the boy was Papa's own. (Now that I wonder about it, it seems irrelevant anyway--that is, it doesn't change the father-son part of the equation, which does not need any looser definition to mean all it means.)
One of my colleagues focused on the point that the father and son, afraid for totally legitimate reasons, we're always running from the family that sooner might have been whatever salvation is in the idea of their banding together. Again, that irony, a bit more pronounced in the movie, doesn't illuminate anything for me. Does it insinuate that the father, propped up by his responsibility and love for the child, is somehow his own worse enemy, racing against the very rationality that keeps him going? I don't know. It's neither here nor there for me, and can only tease us in the end. Perhaps there is something, however, in the thought that the father-son equation is not so much being followed as it is leading the other family--being used in a way, like a battering-ram or torch-bearer. Hmmm.
Another colleague (--the one who actually gave me my copy of the book after deciding, half-way through, that she could or would not finish it--stopped at the scene where the father instructs his son to put the gun in his mouth) found the reduction of man to such ruthless cannibalism unpallatable, not for being ghastly, but for being unrealistic. (She still has not finished the book.) My brother Sam, on the other hand, grabbed at the literary or symbolic value of the man-eating tribes, and he sees in them the representations of corporations, insurance agencies, politicians, etc., who are gobbling us up presently. I, too, as I have written, see the book as achieving, seemingly by accident, such allegorical possibilities, and have thought several times of relating The Road to the "anthropaphagy" Dostoevsky condemns in his great novels, but my mind goes elsewhere still.
First, no one seems to mention the question of God that plays like a metrenome through the story--which, by the way, I feel the movie failed to carry over sufficiently from the book...
But more than that, or perhaps related to it, most of my admiration of the book is in what its post-apacolyptic setting does to the meaning we humans make or invest in different relationships, the last and most basic--most instinctual--or least superficial one being the bond between father and son, or in more literary terms, our generational responsibility. More on this later... Must go now.
Okay, so what matters to me?
Well, I said the setting, but I meant the antagonistic force, which in this story is also the setting. "Reverse Shot" is good to remind us that we have seen or might have read several other post-apocalyptic stories (--I wonder if it constitutes its own genre yet), but McCarthy's strikes me as something different--something more powerful than almost anything I have experienced or than anyone else could. Why? Because it's not post-apocalyptic. I made that same mistake in my last post. No, it's apocalyptic. An active, implacable force--an absolute doom is here completing itself.
Yes, here, we don't approach the absurd, like Conrad's Marlow. No, we are literally being consumed by it, and are hopelessly clinging to our last two heroes. Here, I see a final frontier of literature: new, which is exciting, but also the end--the end of the game, and of everything. McCarthy blows it all up--and this before the book begins--can't get more deft than that, literarily speaking--a bit like slicing the Gordian knot in half--or, if you don't mind the triviality, like Indiana Jones shooting his would-be sword-twirling opponent. Here, Pandora's box is not just opened. It's shattered and all the pieces and all the contents are subsumed into one impenetrable darkness, made all the more evil for it's gradual spread. I am thinking specifically of the shot, early in the movie, where Papa and the boy kick through a hubcap and some dollar bills. Greed, lust, pride, wrath, ambition, ignorance--everything literature can and has warned against--all the hang-ups that keep us from what's most important--they are all swallowed up here, as everything else will be. And yet, The Road is the story of the one thing still standing--a thread of humanity, a final nobility, brilliant though ultimately inconsequential.
Mine is not a cynical joy of destruction--I remember being so crudely proud once, but no longer. Mine is rather a resonance with the triumph of spirit over its circumstance--against its fate. The Road is one of the most encouraging stories I've ever read. McCarthy's vision is not dark to me. The one thing left, the parent-child responsibility, McCarthy crowns as the most vital or sacred bond we have. And the father-son pair is the perfect symbolic unit--what can we not apply to it: creator, creation and its self-propulsion? As I warbled in my last post, this bond is the most basic building block of meaning--the least superficial relationship by which we humans can derive a sense of purpose. Thus, McCarthy's most fundamental meaning is raised in defense against an all-consuming oblivion. But it's not the futility of the father-son's struggle that matters. What matters is the full measure of nobility--of the heroism within the human spirit, which only its certain defeat can display.
Whatever solace one finds in the boy's "happy" ending is ephemeral, though mistakenly made to seem more sturdy in the movie version. Hieb, you and I both commented on this weakness already. The reason the newborn/spit scene is so significant (insufficiently substituted in the movie) is because it reveals the absolute destruction of meaning--the full sweep of apocalyptic darkness against which the boy and father stand like flickering candles: a woman nine months pregnant, trudging along, struggling heroically, only to give birth to a last supper. The father-son journey on, flicker on, most triumphantly to the sea, but we can no longer sustain any hope for them after that, and it should be no surprise that the sea holds no promise for them, or that the boy's "rescue" would have scarcely satisfied our extinguished hope. The movie's quality, for me, is in that it falters on this design only slightly. As in the book, the father dies and the boy founders, but their spirits impress us pre-apocalyptics completely, and I go home, hold my child and look at him like I never had before.
That said, the central conflict is different for the boy than it is for the man, and it's the movie that helped me realize this (--you'll remember the climatic conversation in which the boy defies his father and tells him that he too greatly feels the burden of worrying). The boy is hope, of course. And the father must protect it throughout, but in so doing, is in danger of being consumed by the mere practicality of survival--of becoming ruthlessly savage himself. But the boy is more than this. He is also the guiding light, the saving grace of the man's humanity--of his humaneness. The boy recognizes (instinctually?) the all-valuable cause for humaneness--for kindness and compassion. Curiously, the mother forfeits, saying, in the movie, she does not just want to survive, and in so doing summarizes the boy's entire point. The boy, in this way, is carrying the father the whole way too, and is right to call it even a heavier burden: not simply the good guys vs. the bad guys--but the pivotal task of keeping good guys good, beset though they may be with bad guys and mere oblivion. And thus the practical concern of protecting the fire is coupled with the last reason it is worth protecting and the unit is complete--the human spirit as triumphant as the darkness which gulps it down.
The new mother at the end of the book, telling the boy that his father's voice is God's breath carried generation by generation all the way through to the end. This is not mere metaphor. It's the apotheosis of the father's spirit--of the last vestige of effort spent to save man from man--man from his most savage self--from the all-too-human, I might go so far to say.
hell yeah, JAG :) just wanted
hell yeah, JAG :)
just wanted to let you know i'm following along, slowly but surely. thanks for pouring this all out. i'm enjoying it, and it's doing quite a bit of work to sustain me in present circumstances.
An audience?
Well, my friend, I'm just glad I haven't bored you to death.
Thanks for your encouragement.
Still just talking through the night about Whitman on this site. I love it.
The Movie
Check out this interview with the director of the movie: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120618264
Saw It...
Want to talk. I will say nothing about it yet. Hope you will watch, arh1, RED, and anyone else, and I don't want to have any influence on your viewing. Write once you have something to say.
i am deeply cynical about
i am deeply cynical about such maneuvers, and disappointed if not surprised -- per my original post above -- that they made this book into a movie. and i'm sure i'll see it, and think it's awful.
all of that said, i must admit that the scenes i have seen so far (trailer, etc) remarkably match the visuals in my head when reading.... usually i have to painstakingly suspend my disbelief all over again when starting off with a film adaptation of a book -- will that not be the case here? and what does that portend for the film? anyone else feel the same way?
in any event, i'm having sammyboo read it asap so that we can give the movie a shot.
PS: how the hay did you find 3 hours to watch this, JAG?
That's right! No excuses.
It's not three hours. It's a few minutes short of two hours, and the theater is nearby, but a pinch, no question, especially since the movie reel literally broke apart during the movie--yea, an old fashion movie theater with a reel projector--torn apart, I assume, by the collective tension of the audience. Fifteen, twenty minutes later, the problem was rememdied, and I literally ran out of the theater at movie's end to make it home for the 3:00 feeding. Suzy can and has completed a feeding on her own, but I could not stomach the irony of missing one in order to see The Road. All in all, I made it, and am hoping to make it again and maybe again again before the movie is out of the theaters. Nevertheless, I will jump on board with your assumption, Hieb, just to make it seem like no one else can come up with a good enough excuse to miss it. Go. I'm hungy for discussion on it--don't miss our own feeding. There's irony there too. RED? arh1? Anyone else?
saw it
sammyboo and i saw it over the weekend. a few quick thoughts...
all in all, the visuals held for me throughout the entire film. thankfully they didn't attempt too many sweeping cgi'd landscape shots of mass destruction, which i was worried about as a marketing ploy...
there were two elements of the movie that i felt didn't get the poetics of the book quite right:
1) the wife was much more bleak and cold in the book, no?
2) the ending was a bit too revealing -- we saw a lot more of the family than in the book, right?
neither of those was over the top for me, they were just elements of the story that had to be balanced just right, and i thought the movie went a bit too far.
so in other words, i really enjoyed it. which is to say, my heart was pounding and it was generally an agonizing couple of hours.
also, i found the switch between dialog and first person narration jarring...
oh, and the baby/spit scene was notably removed (replaced by a shot of a woman/child being caught by a gang, right?)
more later
Yes, man! Let's talk.
#1: yes, the cgis kept to a minimum. In one interview with the director--I think I posted it above--I heard that the shots of the ravages of Katrina and other such cataclisms were preferred. But even those are few and far between. Thank goodness. What a farce this movie would be if it were title "2012." Agreed!
#2: The wife? I don't know. She was bleak and cold here too. I wasn't as bothered by any discrepancy. The line I remember most: "I don't want to just survive." In either case, though, I think it is interesting that the mother should have this weakness. What's it say about McCarthy's view of women. Of course, other women populate the book--the bleakest being the pregnant one at the end (omitted, as you pointed out--more on that in a second); the happiest being the mother at the end. Hmmm. Perhaps, and I appreciated this about the movie as well, the distinction is not meant to be so broad, woman vs. man, black vs. white--but just different individuals, each with their own reactions and weaknesses. Hmmm (part two).
#3: The ending? Yea, I was a bit disturbed by the beetle that flies off--a small, but huge in relation to the rest of what we see, piece of silver lining, so to speak. And, i think we are agreed, the book is diminished by any such reasons for hope. Oblivion. Absurdity. And Heroism, such as has trickled to us from our Norse Pagan ancestry. As I wrote about the book, I kind of wish the family didn't come, but am happy that the father has no sense of them before he dies. Ha, that makes me wonder: was the idea of preparing the son to take care of himself even part of the book? Is that slice of silver lining movie audience manufactured?
#4 I agree. The director was much nearer my sensitvities tha I feared he would be, and happily, I agonized through the two hours traffic of his stage too (--sorry, reading a lot of Shakespeare at work these days).
#5 I can't comment on the narration--I don't know if it was because of the theater I went to, but sometimes I could not even hear it--which was frustrating, though not for being jarring.
#6 No baby/spit. Why not? Too bleak? And it's not just baby/spit; it's newborn/spit--not an hour old/spit! Oh, and as I wrote about the book, I think it is the most powerful emblem of bleakness afforded by the book--right at or near its climax. The substitute does it no justice, and is my chief problem with the movie, though I understand that the movie audience is different than the book audience--and understand also the difference between media here: books, in alliance with our imaginations, can do more than movies and eyeballs can do.
Shit...must go...
Am looking forward to #7 "more later..."
oh yeah, the beetle! why
oh yeah, the beetle! why would the director take that liberty? it didn't bother me much during the movie, but is more and more as i reflect on it...
btw, here's our friend's write-up of it over at Reverse Shot:
http://reverseshot.com/article/road
The Road
Just finished. It was great. I don't have the time presently to comment on it much, but I plan to do so soon. I will say that it was powerful. Intense and emotionally moving. I am not a father, but I appreciated the literary effect of a father and son, who was born at the outset of the apocalypse, traveling the road. I appreciated the attempt at purpose beyond all purpose and the conclusion of God in relationships. Where I was moved as a parent, though, it was vicarious, and it was mainly through you, Andy, and Jonah (--what a time to have read this book!). I am still sitting with the ending fresh in my head, trying to decide whether it was lackluster or not. There were also, as there were in Blood Meridian, parts that SEEMED to stretch on unnecessarily. Want to reflect on that a bit with someone. Perhaps, it emphasized the pointlessness better. That said, it was much more than enjoyable--intellectually enjoyable. Highlights, in brief: all conversations, all refrains (okay, good guys, God, memory, hiding, and most especially, the fire), macabre scenes, "you put it in your mouth and point it up," Ely...
Shit, the more I think about it, the better that book becomes. Great! Let's talk more...
just a guy is Joey D
Long View of The Road
At long last, I have found a moment to comment further on the novel. Andy, I shared your tears after writing the above comment and after then talking to my colleague about the book. It is a great book and I will recommend it again and again, I know.
The happy ending, about which I was unsure, is necessary to the book and therefore part of its greatness. I generally appreciate tragedies more, as you know, but this book had to come through just as we all must come through Lear or Heart of Drakness, etc., and it does not weaken or strangle us in our own task for doing so (not unlike Shakespeare's endings). Why is this so? After all, it's hardly a "happy" ending--the father dies without seeing his greatest, his only hope realized (and it is his story, after all)--and even the small family that adopts the boy is hardly sufficient counterbalance to the horror and ghastly reality they will all continue to inhabit. I would have to look back through the book to see if the ending is less contrived than it at first seemed, but perhaps you could help me there, Andy: are there hints or foreshadows that might keep the shotgun guy at the end from breaking continuity? In any case, it is the father's end that matters most, and it is as profound an ending as any literature can offer. This is why the son's ending, however necessary, does not sully or mitigate the novel's power to move.
What of it's literary merits, by which I mean its symbolic power--its resonance. The books breaks the whole world down to its most basic elements, and nothing is allowed to interfere on confuse: father and son (perhaps, mother and son or father and daughter would be more basic, in another, less literary sense) on a road through oblivion. Here, the father, never named, is all parenthood, the son, also never named, is all hope. Son and father together are thus the full breadth of humanity--experience, with memories as substantial as dreams, and innocence, wondrous even in inordinate darkness, and with a core of kindness (perhaps the son's empathy and kindness is extraordinary--I don't believe that, but the hope for a son's empathy and kindness is not all that rare). The road becomes Life and oblivion is the ultimate perspective or the last meaning.
Now, of course, the book isn't allegory and its relationship to the reader can and should be less "literary," but the potential is there. Perhaps the most awful of all the scenes is one that is only implied: the woman who gives birth to the child only to put it immediately on a spit to save herself and her two companion from starvation. We don't need to understand that symbolically. We can feel it, ourselves, inside and throughout, whether as parents or children.
The trope of God is interesting to follow. You have the boy's prayer (tied to gratefulness) before the bomb shelter meal. Then, you have Ely's "God goes as man goes" and "I would hate to have to witness the death of the last god" (something like that, anyway). And finally, you have the boy's adoptive mother who tell him that "God is the breath between men" (again, something like that--I don't have the book with me). The danger with God in literature is that it minimizes the tragedy and thus also the profundity of man. As Kaufmann says, reflecting on Marlowe's Dr. Faustus, there can be no Christian tragedy--which is to say, there is no tragedy in a reception into a second life, even if it weren't perfect as Christians imagine it could be. Tragedy necessitates that all the meaning of the world is for this world only, contained within the life that shapes it. Meanind beyond it reduces its meaning or profundity, which is why Nietzsche often referred to the Judeo-Christian theologians as nihilists. But here--let's get back to McCarthy--in The Road, God is contained in the world and as vulnerable as it--God is community and the hope it espouses--God is humanity (what distinguishes the "good" guys from the "bad"--the cannibals). "The Fire" that the boy represents is God's task, assigned to each and all. There's nothing otherworldly or phantasmagoric in this concept, and that is why it works--why it's reconcilable with the father's tragedy.
Well, I have more to share, but let's see if this gets anyone going. Hieb? Anyone?
just a guy is Joey D
the end did not seem "happy"
the end did not seem "happy" nor discontinuous to me: it was perfect poetry; the only way it could have been. remember when we (i think it was you and i and RED?) watched a silly movie called Requiem for a Dream? we talked about how it was in some ways the opposite of most Hollywood crap: instead of slathering out gloss and overcoming pre-packaged adversity for the hero to somehow pull it off in the true "happy ending", RFAD showed utter depravity and hopelessness -- leaving you feeling the same sense of junk emptiness afterwards. real human experience is always so much more nuanced, subtle.
of course the Road is hardly subtle, but...
yikes! that thought may only be completed in yours or my imagination! must run to the airport now to pick up my boy, gone for a week! speak of the devil...
Blood Meridian
Dudes, all seven of you, I just finished Blood Meridian by McCarthy. I would love to talk about it with anyone who has read it (--perhaps we should change the title of this thread). But I turn now to The Road and am looking forward to it. Comments will come soon. JAG
just a guy is Joey D
blood meridian reader
Hey, i just started Blood Meridian and am about a quarter into it. I would love to get in on the discussion!
Jim McD
I feel like I am understanding the Judge a bit better--and McCarthy, too. If you're still out there, let's talk.
just a guy is Joey D